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Sunday, June 26, 2011

Saucony Hattori Review: From the streets of NY to the mountains of Alaska

Saucony Hattori's -- Two of many colorful combinations

Saucony Hattori
MSRP $80
Saucony: http://www.saucony.com

After a year of running in lower, flatter shoes (the Saucony Kinvara and then the Mirage) I was ready to go even more minimal. The Hattori is Saucony's most stripped-down shoe, designed for runners who are looking for the least amount of material between their foot and the road (or on the trail). Saucony was good enough to supply pairs of the Hattori to me and my guest reviewer, the Harrier of the Night (HOTN), for testing.

Like most reviews we've done on Runner's Tech Review, both testers conducted independent research and supplied separate viewpoints based on our individual experiences. HOTN and I are different types of runners and our expectations for running shoes also differ.

HOTN is is a college student in Connecticut who was born and raised in Sitka, Alaska. I'm based in New York and do most of my running on the streets and trails of Long Island.  HOTN has just returned to Alaska for the summer and that's where he put his Hattori's to the test.  HOTN competes competitively in marathons, ultramarathons, and mountain running and his preference is to run in the most rustic and nocturnal settings that he can possibly find.

The Emerging Runner

FIRST IMPRESSIONS
I had some idea what to expect from this shoe based on the marketing buzz and some early reviews. When the Hattori's arrived I opened the box and observed (on the Emerging Runner) that: "The Hattori does not look like a running shoe and, if not for its sturdy mid-sole/out-sole, I would take it for a slipper with a very over-the-top design. The shoe fit me snugly and was extremely comfortable on my foot. I then tried it without a sock and it felt great."

I have gotten used to lightweight shoes having run the Kinvaras for a year, but these shoes, even at my size, still weigh in under 5 ounces.

Pool shoes (left), the original minimalist footwear
The thing that I didn't expect from the Hattori was that its simple construction would seem so similar my pool shoes. The uppers fit snugly but they stretched much like the material in a SPIbelt. If I'd had the opportunity to try on these shoes before requesting a size, I would have gone up from my usual 10.5's  to a size 11. I was concerned at first that the tight toe box would constrict my foot movement and cause my toes to blister or my toenails to blacken. Happily, this has never been the case.

To minimize the tight fit, I ended up buying a couple of pairs of Wigwam Ironman Pro socks that are thin and don't have any cushioning in the heel or toe areas. Even with more voluminous running socks, the experience has been reasonably comfortable and blister free. The fit without socks was better but I didn't like the scratchy feel of the counter along my upper Achilles tendon. Thin socks seem to be the best compromise.

FIRST RUN
The Hattori is indeed slipper-like with a narrow collar. It was a slight challenge to get them on my foot the first few times I tried. Once on, the shoes felt like a part of my foot with a zero drop and the low platform that seemed very natural. However, compared with both the Mirage and Kinvara, the Hattori lacked "spring." I think this is because the Hattori activates off the mid-foot and the spring comes from the arch and fore-foot as a kinetic response to toe-off.

Out-soles: after one use (top), after 50 miles (bottom)
The Hattori's provided plenty of proprioception, or road feel, with a thin EVA mid/out-sole that has patches of silicone-like material placed on the the heel and the (medial side) forefoot. Besides my cheapo pool shoes, I'd never run in anything that promoted a mid/front foot landing as well.

Out-sole mostly EVA with three silicone patches
It's a simple thing but my stride naturally adapted to this strike and prevented me from landing on my heel. The downside was the unexpected jolt that comes from landing on a stray piece of gravel.

Unused heel plate
No surface wear after a month's use
Running in the Hattori's felt truly natural from the start and I quickly covered five miles without any calf soreness. After 50 miles in the Hattori's the heel area remains pristine. I'm sure the time I've spent in the Kinvaras has helped strengthen my feet, ankles and lower legs. For those who are still running in higher platformed shoes, I'd recommend trying a shoe like the Kinvara, the Brooks Green Silence or the NB Minimus before moving directly to this model.

The shoes performed well during the NHP 8K
RACING
I knew I could run in the Hattori's for at least five miles without an issue so I elected to wear them during an 8K race. I scored a PR for that distance and found the shoes to be highly responsive. In fact, I ran this race at a pace almost a full minute faster than normal. I'll give the bulk of the credit for my PR to my training but the light weight of the Hattori's definitely provided an advantage in the final minutes as I battled fatigue.

OTHER  OBSERVATIONS
Style is definitely a factor in many people's purchasing decisions but for me it is the least important thing. That's a good thing because the first (of two pairs) that I received from Saucony are kind of garish, with their bright red uppers highlighted with black trim, a white mid-sole and some green elements.

Saucony supplied a second pair that are a more conservative combination of black and green.  I regret requesting the Hattori's in my normal running size because they are very snug. A half size bigger would have fit better with socks. The shoes do seem to be loosening up a little and perhaps that's intentional.

I pulled out my pool shoes to compare to the Hattori's and found many similarities. The pool shoes, with their hard rubber out-soles and waterproof insoles, weigh almost twice as much as the Hattori's. But unlike the Hattori's, the pool shoes lack any engineering to facilitate running motion. Still, with socks to protect my feet from blisters, my $15 pool shoes would be a preferable choice for me over expensive, highly constructed, running shoes with built-up heels.

BOTTOM LINE
The primary question I've asked myself for the last year is "Can I use an ultra-minimal running shoe as a daily trainer?" With the Hattori's, the answer is clearly yes. HOTN's experiences below and the light construction of the Hattori's make me a little concerned about the durability of these shoes. I'll find out over the next 12 months how they hold together and will update that experience on the Emerging Runner. In the meantime, I don't want to run in anything else.

The Harrier of the Night

I'm from Alaska, a fact of which I'm quite proud. It is a state of superlatives: the mountains are big, the trails wild, and the running is rugged. In the two weeks after I received the Saucony Hattoris, I introduced the shoes to Alaska – to the superlative – as best I could. It was a largely amicable encounter, but one from which these shoes may never recover.

FIRST IMPRESSION
When I took the Hattori's out of the box, it was further confirmation that the minimalist-running-shoe craze has metastasized to multiple shoe companies, at least for the immediate future. The Hattoris look sharp with their bright colors. Their non-traditional design seems to really strive for "innovation" – whatever that might mean in shoe world.

When I went online to check the Hattori's sticker price ($80), I was surprised because, to my mind, the material and design of these shoes did not seem to be worth $80. However, I wasn't fully surprised since the diminishing size and complexity of faddish minimalist shoes seems to produce a correspondingly large increase in price. This is akin to how the registration cost of marathons, contrary to all logic, seems to increase with the number of participants and ostensible economy of scale.

HOW THE HATTORI'S PERFORMED
While my parsimonious gripes are just that, I was pleased with how the shoes felt while running. First off, they're comfortable. Really comfortable! As I said, I introduced these shoes to Alaska the best way I could. I went running with them on road and track (of course) but also on both technical and non-technical trails and up and down mountains. I launched kayaks in them and played pick-up basketball. I wore them with socks and without. My feet were happy through it all, with few exceptions.

The Hattori's sole is thin. That's the trade-off with minimalist shoes. With thin soles, come more vulnerable feet. I thought the shoes handled flat technical trail well. If you're placing your feet intelligently, they would never suffer from contusion. When you run down a mountain, there's just too much velocity for these little shoes to handle all the impact that is transmitted to your feet. You have to slow down. But as I understand it, mountain running is a sport largely restricted to Alaska and the Intermountain West, so this is probably a non-issue for most prospective Hattori customers.

HOTN's Hattori's after use
Emerging Runner's Hattori's after the same period
HOW THEY HELD UP
The short answer is not well. After I had taken the Hattori's out five times, the webbing that constitutes the top of the shoes was giving way at the toes. The location of my big toe corresponded to the biggest hole and the holes got smaller correspondent to the size of each smaller toe.

I can't say that this is unexpected. I have a pair of mountain running race shoes (that is, shoes I only wear during races). They're 8 oz. These shoes take a beating during each race and are already falling apart after only five different races over two years. But these Hattori's (4 oz.) are not rigorous mountain or technical-trail shoes. They strike me as road running shoes and their competitor is, without a doubt, Vibram's Five Fingers. Five Fingers don't fall apart after five different outings, and that's a comparative disadvantage for the Hattoris.

Saucony seemed to anticipate the weakness of the webbing. There is a shiny stripe of lamination that strengthens the webbing along its perimeter. There are also some lateral stripes of webbing across the top of the shoe that seem to be there more for design than for function. This webbing is located precisely along the top of the shoe, a region that experiences minimal stress. Interestingly, the higher stress areas, where the toes rub up, into, and through the webbing, are free of lamination and thus, full of holes.

DESIGN
Lamination aside, the design is so-so. I'm a size 9, and shoes fit like a glove...or a good-fitting shoe. This is great for trails because a snug fit commands a podalic dexterity that allows precise foot placement as well as the ability to push off roots, boardwalk, and angled rocks.

As the Emerging Runner notes above, the Hattori's are tricky to get on your foot. You have to finaggle and wiggle them a bit. The shoes lack a tab to allow you to hold fast with your index finger while you slip your heel inside of the webbing. This is a seemingly easy-to-fix shortcoming and I'm surprised Saucony shoe engineers didn't account for it.

The color of the shoes that Saucony supplied is striking. I received a red-themed pair, and when running downhill or in a sprint, I felt like Sonic the Hedgehog with my little red shoes darting in and out of my peripheral vision beneath me.

BOTTOM LINE
I'm a pecuniary shoe cynic. Hattoris aside, most shoes probably cost just a couple dollars to make (in terms of labor and materials).  Yet, with precious few exceptions, these shoes sell at an absurd MSRP. How has this come to be? I have no idea. And so a shoe like Hattori, while great for running, is so simple you may as well just buy generic water shoes for a third of the price. You'll probably reach the same end result (just as you might as well buy wetsuit booties instead of Vibram's Five Fingers).

However, if huge profit margins and the incongruity between price and product doesn't bother you, and you don't mind buying another pair in the somewhat near future, the Hattoris are probably for you. If that were the case for me, I'd count myself as sold, so to speak, on the Hattoris. And that hypothetical aside, I know I'll be happily wearing my current pair until they fall apart entirely.

Summary

What's good:

- Ultra light weight
- Facilitates mid-foot landing
- Comfortable fit and natural feel

What could be improved:

- Durability
- More guidance on fit
- Price
- Collar design to allow easier placement on the foot

This review by the Emerging Runner and the Harrier of the Night

Tuesday, May 24, 2011

Saucony Mirage: A minimalist shoe for everyday running


The Saucony Progrid Mirage (men's)
MSRP $100
Saucony
http://www.saucony.com/

HIGH EXPECTATIONS
I've tried a lot of running shoes and now know instantly if a shoe is good or bad for me. Once a shoe is judged to be good, the challenge is to discover just how good it really is. When everything comes together perfectly, the runner finds their perfect shoe. In my case it's the Saucony Kinvara, a lightly constructed minimalist trainer. I was curious to see how Saucony's newest minimalist shoe stacked up to the Kinvara and to the other shoes I've tested.

THE SAUCONY PROGRID MIRAGE
When Saucony offered to send their new Mirage, a minimal shoe that's a close cousin to the Kinvara, I jumped at the chance. Unlike the Kinvara, the Mirage includes a medial stability post. However, this shoe is not simply a more stable version of the Kinvara, it's an entirely different running shoe. I realized this the moment I took it the out of the box.

My initial comments on the Emerging Runner: "The shoes, in jet black with bright red mid-soles, were far different from the Kinvara in look and feel. While the Kinvara is a super light shoe with a very minimal upper, the Mirage feels beefier with a more conventional upper and more structure on the medial side for stability. This combination adds weight to the shoe (7.7 oz for Kinvara vs 9.6 oz for the Mirage)."

FIRST IMPRESSIONS
When I removed the Mirage from its box I could tell right away that it was a well designed shoe. My first impression, once I'd laced up both shoes, was how different it felt from the Kinvara. The Kinvara is neutral in feel, flat, but not without cushioning. The Mirage felt similarly balanced but the mid-sole on the forefoot seemed thicker, as if to facilitate landing towards the front. The wrap was good, but compared to the Kinvara, the Mirage's toe box was a bit narrow. This has not been a problem and I have not suffered any discomfort from that. I just prefer a wider toe box. I thought I would also have an issue with the collar rubbing the side of my ankle but that problem went away after a few weeks.

FIRST EXPERIENCE
My first experience with the Mirage was a few minutes running on the treadmill following a similar run with the Karhu Fast 2's. I wanted to compare these two lightweight shoes under the same conditions. The Karhu's ran adequately (if a bit sloppily) at training pace while the Mirages felt much more dynamic. As I increased the speed of the tread the Mirage stayed with me and the forward balanced forefoot helped me greatly.

I liked the feel of the Mirages so much I broke one of the cardinal rules of running:
"Don't race in new shoes, especially those you haven't yet tried on pavement."
FIRST RACE WITH MIRAGES

Nearing the 5K finish
This race was only a 5K distance so I figured I could endure any issues with break-in. Besides some slight rubbing on one ankle, the Mirages felt stable and familiar. The shoes performed well throughout the race and I didn't give them much thought as I ran. At times I missed the flexibility and super light feel of the Kinvaras, especially near the finish. After the race I trained exclusively with the Mirages for my half marathon training and by race day they had loosened up a little more.

RUNNING THE HALF MARATHON

13.1 miles, no problem
The Mirages had their biggest test the day I ran the LI Half Marathon. I was dealing with a knee issue and debated whether I should run in my Brooks GTS 10's for the additional cushioning. I ultimately decided that the Mirages had proven to be a solid shoe and that I needed to stick with my original plan. I had a tough time over those 13.1 miles, especially on the last 3, but I got through the race. The Mirages handled the 2+ hours of pounding, causing neither a blister nor any type of foot pain. The relatively light weight and well designed forefoot provided an energetic response, even when I had little energy left to expend.

LIFE WITH THE MIRAGE
The Mirages have proven to be a worthy addition to my collection and I would probably appreciate their minimal features more had I tried them before the Kinvaras. Going from the Kinvaras to the Mirages is a bit like trading up from a simple sports car to a luxury GT. This shoe feels good on pavement and it also performed well on the the bridal path in Central Park. It's a well balanced design, feels competent and lands you on your mid-foot. I toggle between the Mirage and Kinvara and the experience is interesting. When I run in the Mirages I miss the barely-there feel of the Kinvaras. When I run in the Kinvaras I miss the Mirage's cozy wrap and its energized response. They are both great shoes.

CONCLUSION
The Mirage is a shoe you can wear for long distance, take to the track for fast intervals, or run on non-technical trails. It treats you well and it feels better with each use. The Mirage's stability control helps maintain efficiency, especially during longer runs. The low profile and small drop between heel and toe help support a mid-foot running style and the cushioning is firm but comfortable. This is a great shoe, another winner from Saucony's growing line of minimalist running shoes.

SUMMARY

What's good:
  • Solid platform but still a lightweight
  • Small drop enables mid-foot striking
  • Stability control for those who need it
  • Wraps the foot well
 What can be improved:
  • Toebox could be wider
  • Collar rubbing on ankle
  • Rides a little high for a minimalist shoe

This review by The Emerging Runner

Saturday, July 17, 2010

Saucony's Kinvara - a minimalist shoe that's simply beautiful



Website: Saucony.com
Price: MSRP $90

Don't be deceived by its featherweight construction and racy looks. The Saucony Kinvara is a substantial running shoe

Prior to testing both the Kinvaras and Grid Tangent 4's I had never owned a pair of Sauconys. I'll admit I was interested in the brand because so many people that I know love the fit and feel of Saucony running shoes. I had tried on various pairs of Sauconys from time to time and found them very comfortable. However, unless they just don't fit your foot at all, most running shoes feel good on the carpet of a running store. It's not until you put them to pavement (or on the trail) that you understand how a given shoe compares to your standards for comfort, support and durability. When Saucony offered Runner's Tech Review the chance to try the new Kinvaras we were extremely excited to put them to the test. These shoes, with their ultralight weight, minimal construction and low (4 mm) drop between heel and forefoot, were exactly what Born to Run fans (those who prefer shoes over bare feet or sandals) would want. Plus, they are about the coolest looking running shoes out there.

Both Adventure Girl and I received our Kinvaras back in May and immediately started running with them. We were careful to keep our distances fairly short to protect ourselves from straining those muscles and tendons that are usually protected by our more built up running shoes. She and I have had different experiences with the Kinvaras so we're providing our personal perspectives below.

Saucony Kinvara (Men's)


The Emerging Runner
My first impression of the Kinvaras (that I reported on emergingrunner.com) was that they "felt more like a slipper than a running shoe. Once I began to walk in them and got a sense of how they worked with the foot I realized they were nicely responsive." I'm a 9:00 to 9:30 minute miler but the first couple of times that I ran with the Kinvaras I averaged about 8:45 per mile. As I said on that day's post: "I have to give credit to the shoes for helping me attain that pace since I can't think of another factor that would explain it."

Despite my lower than average arches and tendency to pronate I haven't had any problems adapting to this shoe. I've usually done well with neutral trainers (except for Nikes) but for longer runs I still prefer some stability control. Since all my runs with the Kinvaras have been under six miles I may not have passed the threshold where the lack of control impacts my comfort. Despite the minimal construction of the Kinvara, Saucony provides enough cushioning in the midsole and surprisingly good structure in the "barely-there" upper to produce a very stable ride. The counter of the shoe is very flexible and it contributes to the slipper-like feel but the lacing system keeps it all in place.

I thought I would use the Kinvaras as a race shoe (and I may eventually do that) but I'm thinking of them more as lightweight trainers that are helping me develop a mid-foot running style. Saucony has also provided a pair of Grid Tangent 4's which are extremely lightweight cushioned stability shoes and I have raced with them once. I'll review them on this site as soon as I have more experience with them in competition. So far I've been impressed with their fit, feel and performance.

Emerging Runner's Bottom line:
Prior to Saucony's launching the Kinvaras I was closely considering the Brooks Green Silence shoe. The folks at JackRabbit discouraged me from moving to them as a daily trainer and I went the other way with the Brooks Adrenalin GTS-10's. It was the right advice, but it left a gap in my shoe portfolio. The Kinvaras fill that gap handily and they deliver everything I need for the distances I routinely cover. I can see myself choosing the Kinvaras more often as I continue to develop my mid-foot running style. I'd like to see how these shoes feel on a run closer to ten miles and I suspect I'll still be happy with the results.

Adventure Girl
Saucony's ProGrid Kinvara is the first minimalist running shoe that I have ever tried. For the last few years I have used one of the more mildly stabilizing shoes on the market. Since I've often questioned whether I needed the stabilizing at all and love my footwear to be lightweight, I was excited to try the Kinvara.

Having now run with the Kinvaras for a month, I've found that it’s an excellent choice for your ‘first time minimalist’ because it provides a surprising level of cushioning for its feather-like weight and structure. Anyone who has read Born to Run and is working on developing a “light and easy” style of running (a mantra I frequently find myself silently repeating to myself on tough runs) will find the Kinvaras an aid. You can hardly feel the weight of the sneaker when it’s in your hand and it’s even more invisible on foot.

At first, I ran with the Kinvaras on trails with rolling hills. I found that the ankle support wasn’t adequate, which led to a ‘tweaky’ feeling in my right ankle. So, I saved the Kinvaras for runs on paved bike paths and it was there that they, and I, began to hit our stride. I enjoyed their feel more with each use, as long as I stuck to paved routes.

The minimalist construction provides ample ventilation, which makes the shoe an excellent choice for runs on hot summer days. (On the flip side, I think they’ll be too chilly for my toes in the winter.) The mesh that encases the shoes has been dressed up with graphics. On my women’s version of the shoes the graphics are a refreshing grass green. There’s also a blue version available.



Saucony Kinvara (Woman's)

Adventure Girl's Bottom Line:
I recommend adding the Kinvaras to your wardrobe as a second pair of shoes for days when you’d like to feel light and run fast (race day?!). From here on out, I’ll be considering the Kinvaras my go-to footwear for fun running that steers clear of trails and rugged terrain.

Reviewed by Adventure Girl and the Emerging Runner